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March 13, 2018   |   Episode #:

061: Investing in Yourself with Marshawn Evans Daniels

In This Episode:

In Part 2 of our interview, Marshawn Evans Daniels shares the struggles and stories of investing in our future selves. We discuss the 5 Success Mountains – the areas of our lives we choose to identify with so much, that we may often lose ourselves in them. We’re digging deep in this episode on the importance of showing up for ourselves, and living ‘bigger so we can live bolder.’

Show Transcript:

The Big Idea

We’ve got to rewrite the rules

Questions I Answer

  • What’s the difference between talent and gifts?
  • How can I figure out my purpose?
  • What can I do to invest in myself more?
  • How do I take action on my dream or goal?

Actions to Take

  • Which of the 5 Mountains (located in the Resources + Links section below) do you think you identify with most?

Key Topics in the Show

  • Marshawn’s 5 Success Mountains: Areas we choose to dedicate our lives to, and sometimes can lose ourselves to in the process.

  • The difference in gifts and talents, and how you can recognize yours to use it to your advantage.

  • Learning the importance of investing in you and your purpose, instead of always playing it safe.

  • How to be there and show up for yourself, not just others, so that you are a priority in your life

Resources and Links

Show Transcript

Welcome to Productivity Paradox from inkWELL Press. A podcast focused on finding  success and happiness through the power of productivity. Each season, Tanya focuses  on specific strategies to help you discover your own priorities and purpose. Season  five is all about investing in you. You can also join Tanya, for more interaction and  support, in her free Facebook group at inkwellpress.com/group. And now here’s  your host, Tanya Dalton.  

Tanya Dalton: Hello, hello everyone. Welcome to Productivity Paradox. I’m your  host, Tanya Dalton, owner of inkWELL Press, and this is episode  

  1. Today’s episode is brought to you by the liveWELL Method  

course. I’ll be sharing a little bit more about that later on in the  

episode. But today we are going to be continuing my  

conversation with Marshawn Evans Daniels. Last week we talked  

all about the shift you might be feeling, the uncertainty that’s  

going on in your life that leads you towards your purpose. And  

today her book is launching, “Believe Bigger.” This is a fabulous  

book that I really believe has the potential to change the way you  look at your purpose. So let’s go ahead and jump back into that  

conversation with Marshawn.  

 Marshawn, I am so happy to have you back again this week.  

Marshawn Evans Daniels: Thank you. We had such a good conversation. I’m glad we  didn’t have to let it end.  

Tanya: I know. I know. Plus it’s just really nice to have you on the show  because, for those of you who don’t realize, Marshawn and I are  

friends in real life. I’m lucky enough to call Marshawn my friend.  

And I’m just so ridiculously proud of you and this book. And I just  see this as a book that’s going to change a lot of lives. So, I’m just  really excited to have you on the show again, and I want to talk to  you about as we move past the gap. Last week we talked about  

some of the things we go through, the voices in our head, how we  have our beliefs that are maybe, what did you say? You said they  are true, they’re factual, but they’re not true, so …  

Marshawn: Yes.  

Tanya: I’d like to talk a little bit this week about how we move past some  of that. And you talked earlier about how success is addictive,  

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and achievement was your drug. We all have these addictions  

that we try to define ourselves by, and you call those the five  

success mountains. Could you explain a little bit about these five  success mountains?  

Marshawn: Yes. The five success mountains are these areas that we choose  to dedicate our life to. In the rules, in the first stage, we’re taught  who we are supposed to be. In talent, this is who we decide to be.  The first mountain is the motherhood mountain. This is something  that we as women are physiologically built for. Some of us, really,  that’s part of our vision. It’s part of what we want, and there’s  

everything right with it. The thing is, again, what happens when  

the kiddos leave? Who are you as a woman? And I just believe  

there’s something between a woman and God that is just  

uniquely for her, that has nothing to do with other people. The  

marriage mountain … I should say, the motherhood mountain is  

one where we attach our identity to children. If you don’t have  

children and you have trouble conceiving, my husband and I have  been on our own fertility journey, when that doesn’t happen that  can also be, it’s already emotional.  

Tanya: Yes.  

Marshawn: But then if you feel like you’re not a woman because of that, you  know, I’ve heard women talk about that, but again this is, it’s been  interesting to be talking about, “Believe Bigger,” while also being  stretched to believe bigger in my personal life again 

Tanya: As someone who also struggled with fertility, I know exactly what  you mean. It’s hard not to identify sometimes with that.  

Marshawn: Oh, yeah. It’s just, you know, you think that … So many things that  we’re never going through it and then we’re in the middle of it.  

And you’re like, “Wow! I’m really not in control.” Anyway, this first  mountain is this motherhood mountain. The second one of  

marriage is the same thing where we’re taught about Prince  

Charming. As little girls that’s what the rules teach us. That one  

day someone’s going to come and sweep us off our feet. And  

that’s what we’re supposed to aspire to and then when we have it  and it doesn’t work out, or when we have it and we have a great  

marriage sometimes we can lose ourselves in the identity of  

being a wife. So, marriage is the next mountain.  

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 Number three is money. This one is defined by work, your career,  building a legacy of some sort. And in this mountain we really  

find our value and our worth in our work; perhaps the titles that  

we earn, or the check that we make, and awards. And this one has  always been my Achilles’s Heel because, again, I was able to  

utilize the ability to be successful to get great attention. And, I  

was like, “Wow! This is way better than what people doubting  

you. It’s great when people believe in you and they’re excited for  you.”  

 So, the money mountain and the success mountain, for me were  very addictive. And I lost my identity in my titles, in my awards, in  being successful, and starting up all these companies. It can be  

very dangerous because there’s something more fulfilling than  

something that is not going to last forever anyway.  

 And then, mountain number 4 is the mending mountain. This is  tied to our inner Ms. Fixer. This is the part of us as women, as we  try to be all things to all people. And we find validation in solving  other problems. This is where our martyr syndrome comes from  

and being stretched, trying to be self-sacrificing for the sake of  

saving others. There’s an identity part that feels good about  

helping people. There’s nothing wrong with that until we’re doing  it for the purpose of validation. We can lose ourselves in being  

“the fixer,” as well.  

 And then finally, mountain five is making a difference. It is  amazing to be a giver. It is amazing to change other people’s  

lives, but when giving becomes part of the way we form our  

identity, or the act of serving becomes our identity then it’s really  no different than greed. And this a hard one for people to wrap  

their minds around. Because I do believe that giving is a part of  

all of our lives. But the question is, “You are not your gift. You are  not your activity. You’re not your success. You’re not your failures.  You’re not your children. And you’re not your spouse.” And  

realizing like, “Well, how am I really designed and made?” Is just  

really life changing.  

 But these are the five mountains that we climb, that form our  identity, and also when we’re going through a shift it’s breaking  

  1. It doesn’t mean you’re letting it go. I’m not saying, “No longer  be a mom. Just tell your kids they’re on their own 

Tanya: Yeah, it doesn’t work that way.  

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Marshawn: It’s a time for an expansion. And, I think there’s nothing more  powerful to a child, to a daughter, to a son, to see her mother  

living out her divine design. Understanding how brilliant and her  

beauty. How does that change what a child believes about his or  her self? What’s happening … Because a lot of women … I coach  

women now. I run the largest coaching company for women of  

faith in the country. And I’ve worked with a lot of women who  

wrestle with this. A feeling like they’re abandoning their children.  And they’ll use their children also as an excuse not to pursue their  dream.  

 Now we have to be responsible. Absolutely. We’re the most  innovative species. Women are in particular.  

Tanya: Yes.  

Marshawn: I am grateful that I have a mom who sacrificed a lot for me. But I  am regretful that she didn’t get to do some of the things that she  wanted to do. And, I try to live out her legacy. I dedicated the  

book to my mom, my two grandmothers, and my great-aunt.  

Who because of being Africa-American, I am first generation, a  

representation of the possibilities that they did not have. They  

just didn’t have them. My grandmothers cleaned houses for other  people. And that’s the opportunities that were available in the  

50’s, the 60’s, and even earlier than that the 30’s. I’ve got to  

remember when they were born. My grandmothers didn’t get to  

have education beyond elementary school, because they were  

black and living in the South.  

 So, I’m first generation full possibility where there literally are no  limits. They’re identity was largely capped, because they didn’t  

have the opportunities. And all of us as women are living in the  

most permissive time of our lives and the most permissive time in  history. We can’t let the things that we’ve learned, or even the  

things that we’ve seen define us. We’ve got to rewrite the rules  

and show that a woman’s place is anywhere God sends her.  

Tanya: Yes. I love that. Climbing mountains is a great thing to do. Right?  It sounds like a good achievement. We just don’t want to get  

stuck on top of that mountain. Yes 

Marshawn: And that’s why split rock moments come, that’s why disruption  comes, to break us up with who we’ve been, so we can expand  

our understanding of how amazing we really are.  

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Tanya: Yes. I love that. You talk about, with the gap and shifting from our  comfort zones, that there’s this gap between our talents and our  gifts. Can you touch on that? What’s the difference between  

talents and gifts? And why did you place the gap between those  two?  

Marshawn: Your talents are what you’ve been trained to do. What you’ve  studied. What you’ve learned. What you’ve become very good at.  There’s a principle that I outline in “Believe Bigger” called the  

potential pyramid. And there are these four levels of potential.  

And there’s a lot of things that we’re great at, but some of it  

we’re great at because we’ve trained for it. Doesn’t mean we were  born to do it, but anything that we focus on we can improve. And  if we continue to pour effort and time into it we can get even  


 I look at being a lawyer as being something that I was naturally  inclined to do; or so I thought, because I had the gift of gab. I  

used to get in trouble for speaking too much in elementary  

school. Get my name on the board with a check and then another  check and I knew by the time it was, somewhere depending on  

the teacher, between check #2 and check #3 that I have to go to  the principal’s office. That was a natural inclination. Everyone’s  

like, “You would be a great lawyer, because you like to argue.” I’m  like, “Yeah, I do.” And then I saw Claire Huxtable on The Cosby  

Show and that’s where I decided I wanted to be a lawyer. Because  of the image that I saw and because of feedback that I had. And I  said, “Oh, maybe I can be that?” And that became a decision I  

made at 13-years-old. That developed what I did for the next 10  

years, going later to Georgetown Law School.  

 Now, my gifts were also hidden in there. I realized that speaking  communication is a gift for me. And also, I looked back and I  

could see I used to brand when I was in elementary school. I used  to create flyers for teaching. When I’m in 6th grade, I’m teaching  the 4th and 5th graders cheerleading and dance. And I would  

create my own flyers. And my dad had a computer company, and  I developed his logo for him. I was nine-years-old. This is in the  

80’s. This is pre-internet 

Tanya: Dot matrix printer 

Marshawn: … exactly, this is the old days. Where there aren’t social media  images. And nobody knew to tell a little girl that she had a natural  

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knack for entrepreneurship, branding, and communication. Even  

having lemonade stands. I grew up in Texas, and it was hot in the  summer, and I set up my lemonade stand. I was smart enough to  keep my overhead low by utilizing the pantry as my supply  


Tanya: Right.  

Marshawn: But, I would go door-to-door. I had a natural gift for marketing. I  had a natural gift for branding. I had a natural gift for  

communication. Because we are taught retirement and not  

leadership, no one knew how to develop that. And for me to steer  towards going into business versus going into … I thought I was  

going to be Attorney General of the United States. I was going  

into service. The gift was always there. All of us have these clues.  That’s one of the reasons why I wrote “Believe Bigger.” I want us  to be able to take a look back over our lives and see where our  

gifts tried to speak up. Our gifts are what we were built to do and  they impact other people’s lives and improve the lives of others.  

 The way I think, in terms of being a strategist, I’ve learned that  that is unique, in a unique way. And it helps unleash ideas and  

dreams in other people so that they can get unstuck and out of  

the gap. Now I understand that’s a gift. I couldn’t do that at a law  firm. It was a talent. I could write really well. I could have climbed  that corporate ladder, but I realized, I took an aptitude test that I  

make all of my clients take in my coaching programs, my business  coaching programs. I scored a 3 in this category that’s fact  

finding, which is basically research. That explains why I hated my  job. That I should’ve loved, because it paid well. Because I was  

told, “Well, you can be a lawyer.” But that’s not really what it is to  be a lawyer. It’s not Law & Order. It’s not like what you see on  


Tanya: Right.  

Marshawn: It’s research and I’m not designed for that. So, I could do it, but I  wasn’t built to do it. And so many of us are doing things that we  decided to do. We’re operating in that talent zone versus our gift  zone where it’s just natural and it’s easy. It’s easy with an artist or  a singer, because we can see those gifts differently. But  

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personality and our essence. How are people transformed?  

Simply by being in your presence.  

 Those are some of the clues that we start looking at when we  look at our gifts, which are different than our talents.  

Tanya: Absolutely. It’s those little things and our bread crumbs. The little  things that are little flags that we don’t necessarily see, cause  

we’re so busy living that we’re not paying attention to those  

things. And we think, “That’s not the life that I’m meant for. Surely,  that’s not me.” And somehow it is. It’s little way of showing itself  to you. I think that’s so powerful.  

Marshawn: Yes. One thing, Tanya, is that we’ve been taught also that getting  to love what we do is a luxury as opposed to a necessity. When  

what we love shows itself, we assume that we’re being frivolous  

or selfish, or incredulous to even think about pursuing something  that we love, we need to do what is needed. That’s one of the  

reasons why we miss all of these purpose clues. People are  

already complimenting you on what you do. You’re already doing  certain things easily, but because we’ve been taught that it has to  come from hard work and we have to earn it, we miss the easy.  

And the easy is what takes us into 

Tanya: I think too, we discount things that are easy for us, “Oh, well that’s  no big deal. That’s easy to do.” And, I often have to remind  

people just because something is easy for you, doesn’t mean it’s  

easy for others. And there’s an opportunity there to share that  

gift, because if something is easy for you, you should be pursuing  that and looking into that. I think you are so right, when you say,  

“We feel like work is supposed to be something that’s needed  

and not fun.” I like that word frivolous you use there, because I  

think that that’s very true.  

 I’d love to talk a little bit more about investment in yourself. So,  first though, I’d like to take a quick break from our sponsor and  

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 So, Marshawn, you talk about investment being a catalyst to  calling. You give this example in the book, “If you wanted to be a  doctor you would invest in school.” But as you talked about  

earlier, investment isn’t really about a degree. It can be investing  

in a new interest, a gym membership, or a training class. Making  

that investment, you say, is one of the best ways we give our self  permission to do something new.  

 I want to ask you, how do we invest in ourselves to move from  that comfort zone to living in our purpose?  

Marshawn: Wow. I think the first thing is, you’ve got to get a bigger vision  than what you’ve known. And give yourself permission to dream,  give yourself permission to believe. It’s something that we’re  

actually scared to do, because we don’t want to be disappointed.  You know, the reason why we worry, the reason why we hesitate,  the reason why we have so much self-doubt, and even anxiety is  

because of some expectation, some desire that has been severely  wounded in some way. We protect ourselves from entering into  

this place of curiosity and possibility because at least if I play it  

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safe I won’t get hopes down. And I won’t be let down. And I  

won’t have my heart broken again. What I had to learn that  

anything that I ever wanted in life, I had to commit to. And  

whatever you commit to is what is going to continue. Whatever  

you water is going to fuel. A  

 And there’s this passage in the Bible that I absolutely love that  says, “Where your treasure is, your heart is also.” That’s really  

your commitment. When I got a bigger vision of … I didn’t have a  choice to get this bigger vision, because I had to figure out how  

to pay my bills.  

Tanya: Right.  

Marshawn: When I closed down my agency, I didn’t know how I was going to  have income. Because I felt this leading in my spirit to take a  

pause, to rest, to figure out again how I get here, to do some  

spiritual development, and just everything kept pointing to stop  

and pause. But the mortgage company did not care about that. I  had this luxury vehicle. Now, a car note for a car that I can not  

afford and I did not buy for myself.  

Tanya: So, what you’re saying is sometimes purpose doesn’t knock it  comes and barges down the door. Is that right?  

Marshawn: Yes. Yes. It blows everything up. I had to figure out how I was  going to survive. It wasn’t even thriving. This was literally, how do  I survive? I started investing … Well, first thing I did was I got this  vision of wanting to start. I was a speaker. I was a professional  

speaker, had done very well a professional speaker for a long  

time. But I knew when I was engaged that I wanted to, being a  

bonus mom at the time taught me about wanting to create a life  that had more predictable income, where I didn’t have to always  be on a plane. I had already been thinking about that. And then I  got this email from someone who was doing a video series. And  now those are more popular online, but at the time I had never  

seen anything like that.  

 I got this vision, “Well, I can teach sponsorships. I’ve gotten  sponsorships. I can teach branding. That’s what I do. I can teach  

getting on media.” I was doing television commentary for ESPN  

and CNN and Fox Business channel, very regularly at the time. I  

got this bigger vision and I did something and it actually worked.  I held a seminar, but from there I realized, “Wow! This actually  

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worked. What do I do next?” This is the most powerful question  

we can ask and this is where our investment really comes in.  

 When you’re asking, “What do I do next?” The real question you  should be asking is, “Who’s already done what I want to do  

next?” And I started realizing there was this world of coaching  

and that there were a few women who were operating at very  

high levels. I invested in my first master mind program because I  

wanted to invest in this vision. I was passionate about it. My heart  was in it, but my heart’s not really in it until my money is in it.  

That’s just the reality 

Tanya: I think that’s just the reality.  

Marshawn: … we value what we pay for.  

Tanya: Yes. Absolutely. I wholeheartedly believe that.  

Marshawn: We value that. I teach now that you can not get a return on an  investment that you never make. And there’s so many dreams  

that we’re not living. So many realities that we’re not  

experiencing, because we haven’t invested in it. We’ve talked  

about it. Perhaps we’ve prayed about it. We’ve wanted for it, but  have we truly invested in it? I invested in going to Georgetown  

Law School. And at the end of that investment, with the time and  the commitment and showing up day-in-and-day-out, I left with a  law degree and that led me into the world of law. Because that  

was my decision and my investment. And what you’re not  

investing in, is indicated by what you don’t have. What you’re not  experiencing.  

 It’s a tough-love conversation that I’ve had to get very  comfortable talking with women about money. Because when you  have a dream to build or do something, you’re gonna need a well  funded vision for that to happen. If we don’t invest in ourselves,  

it’s really a sign of self-worth. Do I believe I’m worth it? This is  

why we’ll invest in everything else our kids, our families, our  

communities, other people’s dreams. And we’ll pull everything  

out into other people. And there’s nothing wrong with that, but  

we put ourselves last on the investment list. We have to prioritize  our own personal development.  

 I also believe in investing in your dream, but also your health. I  invested in counseling, because when that happened to me I was  

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like, “I don’t know how I got here? But I know I have to be okay,  

because my future matters. It matters to me, but I know that my  

life matters.” So, I had to put, and it was very humbling, to sit on a  couch sometimes two days a week, and that was the only that  

got me out of bed dealing with deep depression. But I invested in  my wellness. I invested in going to the gym. Now in this season of  my life, I invest in good quality food. All of that is an investment.  

It is a sign that we actually love and care about ourselves.  

Tanya: So true. I love that you use the phrase, “Get a bigger vision.” As  opposing to, “Wait for a bigger vision.” It’s about being proactive  versus reactive. And I talk about proactive versus reactive a lot  

when I’m doing my coaching, because I think that so many of us  

think, “Well, it will find me at some point.” You’ve got to get out  

there. You’ve got to do it. What you said there a few minutes ago,  “You can not get a return on an investment you didn’t make.”  

There’s so much truth to that. I think that’s wonderful.  

Marshawn: Yeah. We’re waiting for … Just like we wait, this is the rules, this  comes back to Stage 1 of the purpose map where we’re taught  

and discover to wait. Wait on Prince Charming. Wait to be  

selected. Wait to graduate. Wait until someone tells you you’ve  

climbed the right, taken the right steps, climbed the right ladders  to be able to be chosen or to do more just to get a little bit of an  increase in something. We are taught to wait. And I love how  

you’ve picked that up and even emphasize it. It sticks out to me  

and a different way than probably even what I meant with like  

getting the bigger vision. I do believe that purpose is pursued, it’s  not passive.  

 It’s like, if we have children and you know, let’s say the school,  isn’t providing them the services that they need. You could just sit  around and wait and hope that somebody prioritizes the success,  the destiny, the educational experience of your child. Or you  

could go and show up, like my parents did, at that principal’s  

office on a regular basis at our elementary school saying, “You  

know what, our kids, they might be the first black kids in this  

school, but you’re going to treat them fairly.” And they were there  all the time. And what does that do for a child? Right? It builds  

their esteem and their confidence. But what if we did that for  


Tanya: Yes.  

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Marshawn: What if we showed up for ourselves that way and said, “I’m going  to pursue my dreams, and my purpose, and my desires, and my  

health and my wellness, my well-being. I matter.” We don’t do  

these things, Tanya, because we don’t feel that we really matter.  

We don’t know how important we really are. But, I do believe that  every woman is a life changer. And it extends outside of the four walls of our places of worship. It extends outside of the four-walls  of our home. It goes out into the four corners of the world. And  

we have to stop sitting down waiting for someone to pick us. We  need to start picking ourselves. We need to start before we’re  

ready. We need to get in the game, because they’re other women  out there, they’re other people, they’re other opportunities and  

you’re going to change more lives when you show up more  


 That’s what this is. We have to believe bigger, so we can live  bolder. I’ve seen women who’ve come to my seminars who were  

going to commit suicide. And I talk about one of these stories in  

the book of a woman who was showing up the day of a Launch  

Your Dreams tour. I used to feel guilty about being in business  

and whether teaching branding of whether I was being brag-a 

docious and seem like I’m not taught to be humble. Even just  

being a Christian, being a believer, and then sometimes feeling  

though as though being ambitious is frowned upon, that  

marketing felt very awkward for me at a certain point. I was good  at it, but I was conflicted.  

 This woman comes to this seminar, waits until the very end, and I  don’t see her for six months later, she told me at the end, “Thank  you, for changing my life.” I see her six months later at another  

event. She introduces herself. I didn’t recognize her right away,  

but then I remembered her waiting for all 200 people to leave the  room. And she said, “What you don’t know is that that morning I  was getting ready to take my life. I was sitting in the car. I had the  note written on the passenger’s seat and I drove to a park where I  was going to do it. And the park was closed. And I’ve lived here  

my whole life. I’ve never seen the park doors closed. And as I’m  

sitting in front of that gate, I look over to pick up my phone. I  

open the app for my email and I get an email from you Marshawn  that says ‘See you soon.'”  

 She got a marketing email.  

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 And she said, “I sat in that seminar and listened to you talk about  destiny, purpose, voice and dreams. And I realized that what  

happened to me, didn’t happen to me. It happened for me,  

because it was something greater within me.” And she says,  

“When I said it that night and I couldn’t find the words.”  

 And I remember she was just stunned. I remember just holding  her at the end. I mean, it’s to business as 

Tanya: Right.  

Marshawn: … usual, because we’re real women. And she said, “What I meant  was. I said you changed my life, but it saved my life.” That’s what  really teaches us, what’s taught me about business that whatever  our business is, even if it’s not a formal company, whatever it is  

that you are supposed to do is attached as a lifeline to somebody  else’s life.  

 I can’t tell you how, but I can tell you that it is true. And that if  you’re listening to me right now, it means that when you show up  bigger you are going to have an impact that makes everything so  much sweeter than what you can imagine. And what you’ve been  through isn’t representative of what you’re going into. It’s actually  been the preparation for your next season. But we have to show  

  1. We have to believe bigger. We have to live bolder. Other  

people’s lives actually, literally in my view, depend on it. That’s  

why women are stepping into entrepreneurship, the whole boss  

lady, the boss chick movement. It’s not just about us being  

bosses, this is about women, because we have nurturers, this  

about us creating healing and motivation. I think bringing, I’m a  

Star Wars person, us bringing balance to the force. So, that’s  

what we’re here for.  

Tanya: I love it. Marshawn, you say your goal isn’t to change who  someone is. Your goal is to help change what they do so they can  finally be who they are. I absolutely love this. And, I believe you’re  doing just that through this book. I can’t tell people enough how  powerful “Believe Bigger” is. I really want to encourage all of my  

listeners to take a look, see if it resonates with you. Pick it up, it’s  got the power to change your life. Marshawn, thank you so much  for being on the show. I really appreciate it.  

Marshawn: Thank you. I appreciate you, all that you do. I look forward to us  continuing to, not only just be friends, but I do believe in  

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purposeful connections. I feel like we are going to do some  

amazing things together. And I’m looking forward to it.  

Tanya: Me too.  

 Didn’t I tell you Marshawn is amazing? She really is an incredible  woman. Her book is now available if you go to  

believebigger.com. You can find information on how you can  

purchase your own copy. I really want to encourage you, if you  

feel like you’re struggling with purpose to grab a copy of the  

book, because what she talks about has the potential to change  

your life.  

 In the mean time, could you do me a quick favor? If you are  enjoying this show, if you like my episodes would you go to  

iTunes and leave me a Five Star rating? Or even better, leave me a  review. I love the comments that are left there.  

 You’re going to understand a little bit more about why I really  appreciate those comments, if you listen to this week’s mini 

episode of The Weekender, that’s launching on Friday.  

 Alright, next week we’re going to be continuing our season on  Investing in You, by talking about being efficient versus effective.  And making sure that we’re prioritizing the right things in our  

lives. Alright, until next time, happy planning!  

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