The Big Idea
You get to decide what’s most important
Questions I Answer
- How can I figure out where to focus?
- How can I focus better?
- What’s the 80/20 rule?
Actions to Take
- Watch my TanyaTV episode, Making the Most of Your Mornings
- Clarify where you want to spend your time by downloading the free spreadsheet Pete shares to identify your vital few. Listen to more from Pete and his incredible guests on the How to be Awesome at Your Job podcast
Key Topics in the Show
Start feeling good about how you’re spending your time
How to decide what is most important to tackle in your day
The 80/20 rule you need to know to make a bigger impact with your time
What it means to identifying your ‘vital few’
Utilizing Pete’s “one thing question” to bend time
Welcome to Season 10 of Productivity Paradox with Tanya Dalton, a podcast focused on helping you achieve your best life. Join Tanya this season as she explores the concept of bending time so you could stay focused on what matters most.
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And now, here’s your host, Tanya Dalton.
Tanya: Hello, hello everyone. Welcome to Productivity Paradox. I’m your host, Tanya Dalton, and this is episode 120.
Tanya: Today, I have a great episode in store for you because I have special guest Pete Mockaitis here to talk about how to know where to focus where to focus your time.
Tanya: Now, all season long we are talking about bending time. Changing our relationship with how we feel about time, making sure we don’t think that the time owns us but instead we own our time.
Tanya: So I’m really excited to have Pete on the show to talk about some ideas and some tips on how you can really clarify where you want to focus that time.
Tanya: So before I give an introduction of Pete, I want to give a quick shout out to today’s sponsor. Gusto is a great resource for small businesses that not only offers easy to run payroll services, but also HR support. Stay tuned because a little later in today’s episode, I’ll be sharing how you can get three months free when you run your first payroll through Gusto. I’ll share some details about that a little later on today’s episode.
Tanya: But first let’s go ahead and introduce you to Pete Mockaitis. He is an award-winning coach who helps professionals perform
optimally at work. Now his work has been featured in the New York Times, in Forbes and in Inc. Pete has delivered one-on-one coaching to over 700 leaders hailing from world class
organization such as Google, FedEx, Amazon, Apple, Anheuser Busch, and even the United Nations.
Tanya: He’s worked with people in 50 countries and has worked with every single ivy league university. He began his career at Bain & Company and currently hosts the How to be Awesome at Your
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Job podcast. The show has been downloaded over six million times and consistently ranks as a top business show in Apple podcasts.
Tanya: Pete lives in Chicago with this wife and two little babies. Let me introduce you to Pete.
Tanya: Well Pete, I am so excited to have you on the show today. Pete: Oh, Tanya, I’m so excited to be here. Thank you.
Tanya: Well great. You know, Pete and I actually met because he had me as a guest on his amazing podcast, which is called How to be Awesome at Your Job.
Tanya: So here’s my question, Pete. In all the interviews that you’ve done throughout the course of your podcast, what do you think is the secret to being awesome at your job?
Pete: You got to start with the hard one, huh?
Tanya: I know right. I’m not letting you off easy.
Pete: We’ve got 420-ish episodes to distill it into just one.
Pete: Well, it’s funny. I spent a lot of time actually thinking through you know, “Hey, what would be a nice opening selection of episodes for new listeners to hit?” And I looked at from a data-driven perspective high levels of engagement and high numbers of index downloads. And so, I put those at the very front or top or
beginning of the feed episodes A, B, C, D, E, F in between zero and one.
Pete: And so, I guess I’ll just steal it from the data.
Pete: One of our highest performing episodes was Carter Cast and he talked about the five derailers of a career and how not to do that.
Tanya: Yes, yes.
Pete: And what was really great was he talked about how, you know, a lot people have a really great sense of their strengths, you know, in terms of, “Okay. I’m good at this. I’m good at that.” And they try to, you know, build things around their strengths.
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Pete: But he said that in talking to a lot of really sharp career folks, many people had a much harder time identifying, “Hey, what is it about you that could hurt you?” Or, “What’s maybe the shadow side to some of these strengths?” The dark side that can emerge when you’re relying too heavily on that one thing.
Pete: So if you’re great at analysis maybe you are slow with decision making because you always want more data, for example. So I thought that that was pretty compelling in terms of listening.
Pete: And if I could steal one more, I’m going to go with Mary Abbajah talked about how to manage up and how to get just really clear on what does winning mean for your organization, for your team, for your manager and just have that conversation. It’s like what is most important to you? What annoys you? What delights you? What does quality mean here? Some of those fundamental things. It’s shocking how often we’re quite on the same page there.
Tanya: Oh, I think that’s so true. It’s really defining what these different things mean to you, right?
Tanya: Because it’s different for everyone and how you perceive let’s say productive, you know, is different from what other people
perceive it as. Or how you perceive good work being done is different for each person. So, taking the time to really define what that means I think is really powerful.
Tanya: And I like what you said there about the shadow side of some of our strengths. I always say it’s really important to embrace not just our strengths but really kind of celebrate our weaknesses too, right? I really think that helps us to really understand ourselves.
Pete: Well, you know, I like that word celebrate with regard to the weaknesses and the first thing that came to mind for me is we can celebrate them in that they can provide opportunities for others to collaborate and fill in. And enhance your appreciation. Like, “Thank you so much, accountant. I really, really don’t like doing this and you are making it happen for me is why I’m so grateful to you.” And that’s just great for, you know, good relations.
Tanya: Yeah. And that includes the relationship with ourselves, right … Pete: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Tanya: … to really understanding who we are?
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Tanya: So this season of the podcast, we are talking about bending time. So how to not feel powerless when it comes to owning our time. But rather flipping that relationship on its head and feeling better about how we’re spending our time. That kind of builds off that idea of really defining what feels good too, right?
Tanya: So, what is your favorite tip for feeling good about the time that we’re spending?
Pete: Oh, for feeling good.
Tanya: I think there’s a lot to be said for feeling good.
Pete: I’ll tell you what. I’ll just give you my recent, how’s that, when it comes to feeling good.
Tanya: That sounds good.
Pete: And I recently interviewed Michael Hyatt on my podcast. I love his work, he’s got a great show himself. And when it comes to feeling good, he really recommended … and I’ve done this, and I’ve fallen away, and I’ve gotten back, and it does make me feel so good … is to just identify sort of the three things that are most important to accomplish in a given day. And then to check them off and then just celebrate that you’ve checked them off.
Pete: And that sounds like, “Okay, we’ve heard that before maybe.” Tanya: Yeah, the rule of three. Yeah.
Pete: The hard part is deciding what those things are and not just lazily shoving 12 things. Like, no, no, no, you know. Prioritization
happens now. These are the three things.
Pete: And I try to have them add up to roughly three hours. So sometimes there’s like three bundles of things, you know, that amount to almost three hours because I want to feel like a winner. And that’s the idea is, “Hey, you took the time to think through what is really, really, really most important for the day and then you put those down. And then you did them. And now you can feel like a winner no matter whatever else happens.”
Pete: And so, it’s only three things, it’s only three hours. It’s the minority of a workday for most of us. But, boy, if you get in that habit and get that momentum in terms of, “Boy, I did that. I’m a winner. I won the day.” And again, and again, and again …
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Pete: … that just makes you feel great.
Tanya: Yeah. I think winning the day is all about bending time, right? It’s really looking at our time and saying, “Okay, I feel good about what I accomplished.” I think there’s a lot to be said for really feeling like we have that ownership over our time.
Tanya: And I think you are so right when you say, “We’ve heard the rule of three.” But how do you decide what is really most important to tackle in your day?
Pete: Now that’s a great question. And the way I like to think about it most often in terms of the most helpful tools for me in terms of getting there are the one thing question. We had Jay Papasan on the show, co-author of that book The One Thing, which is so good. As well as the Pareto’s 80/20 rule. And, boy, Tanya I could talk to you for hours about these.
Tanya: I know right.
Pete: So I’ll let you drive or guide a little bit here.
Tanya: Okay, yeah. Well, let’s dive into each of those separately. Let’s start by talking about the 80/20 rule because that’s one of my favorites too.
Pete: Okay, sure thing. Well so, the 80/20 rule … and we used this a ton in strategy consulting, which is what my career was before I was doing the, you know, trainer/speaker/podcaster/guru you know
Pete: And so, the 80/20 rule, it was discovered by Vilfredo Pareto, who was an Italian economist, boy, maybe 500-ish years ago I think. In that ballpark.
Tanya: A long time ago, yeah.
Pete: And he noticed that an interesting ratio was popping up again and again. And it seemed that often 80% of results or outputs came from 20% of causes or inputs.
Pete: So for example, 80% of the land owned in Italy was owned by 20% of the people. And the remaining 20% of land was owned by 80% of people who all owned a lot less land per person.
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Pete: And likewise, 80% of the fruit or output of a farm, or bush, or tree, or garden, was coming from 20% of the plants. And so forth and so forth. He saw this again and again. And so that’s kind of
interesting. Like, “Okay. Yeah, cool.” But the implications can just be staggering in terms of productivity.
Tanya: It really is because what I find so fascinating about the 80/20 rule is that it permeates everything. You know? 20% of your clients account for 80% of your income a lot of times.
Tanya: Or 20% of your wardrobe in your closet is what you wear 80% of the time. We see this appearing again, and again, and again, right? This idea of … And it’s not always perfect. It’s not always 80/20 but it’s this idea that few items create the largest impact in your day.
Pete: Exactly yes. And Pareto called them the vital few … you know, the 20% of causes that make all the difference … versus the trivial many. And that just really gets me thinking in terms of putting down the to-do list. Okay, what are the vital few items?
Pete: And I don’t want to get too dorky mathematically but I think it’s important to go here for a moment that the implication of this 80/20 rule is not that some things are a smidgen more important than other things …
Pete: … and so maybe you should do those. But rather some things are in fact 16 times as important as those other things. And I could dig into the math if you wanted to but that’s the implication.
Pete: If 20% of things account for 80% of the results and then it’s flipped for the others, then that ratio of results to thing, maybe it’s output per minute, you know, would be like 16 times that of the vital few and the trivial many.
Pete: And I think that really does bear out in terms of what I’m thinking about maybe a vital few item might be, “How could I automate, or outsource, or systematize, or process this thing?” Right?
Tanya: Mm-hmm (affirmative).
Pete: Like maybe podcast pitches. I get, you know, tons of them. Well, it took me a few hours but I kind of said, “Okay, this is what we’re after. A guest needs to be relevant, authoritative and engaging.
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This is how I define relevant. This is how I define authoritative. This is how I define engaging.” Wrote it all up. Made some videos and had my, you know, extremely talented colleagues in the
Philippines … that’s a whole other topic … go ahead and get that pretty much automated for me in the sense that I can now look at just a few finalists as opposed to just the thousands, you know, that were coming …
Pete: … in and taking up a lot of time.
Pete: So, indeed, that process of putting that together is yielding 16 times the output as was me reading each one of those emails individually.
Tanya: Yeah, that makes absolute sense. Because you’re right. It’s not that one is slightly increased in impact. There’s a very large difference. So when we take the time to really figure out and understand what are the most important … the vital few … and then we really apply our time on those vital few, that’s when we really begin to bend time because we really begin to see a larger impact just by focusing on fewer items.
Pete: Absolutely. What I’ve often, though, is that the reason we don’t do those is because it’s kind of hard. It’s like, “How do I articulate what is a good guest versus a not good guest?” And so, that takes some real thinking, you know. And sort of, “How do I put that down.” And then to train and give examples such that it really connects.
Pete: And then to find some courage like, “I hope we don’t accidentally say no to a superstar.” It’s like, “Oh, sorry. Simon sent in Malcolm Gladwell.”
Pete: “You can’t be on the show.”
Tanya: Right. “You didn’t fit the system, sorry.” Yeah.
Pete: So that’s often what I find is that these vital few tasks are ones that take a significant amount of thought and attention and mental energy and effort. A deep work as Kyle Newport would say it. And it is all too easy to not do it because you don’t quite feel up to it in the moment. But, boy, the rewards are huge if you go there.
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Tanya: Right. Just taking that time of spending on fewer items … or like in your case, fewer email pitches that you’re getting … really allows you to dive deeper into who you really want on the podcast. Who’s going to be a good fit on the podcast. And all of those things. And I think that applies in so many different ways.
Tanya: When we think about this 80/20 principle, because when we treat all things like they should be equals, you know, we don’t know where to really begin. And to me, it’s not just about making money. Or it’s not just about where to spend your time at work. But it’s also outside of the workplace when we think about the time we spend with our families and our loved ones.
Pete: Absolutely. And I think it’s so helpful to think about it. A lot of times this is used for money purposes like customers or
marketing. But I think you can totally, even though it’s a little tricky to put a number or a specific quantified unit on it, you could think about this in terms of relationships as well in terms of what are the vital few things that really make my spouse/partner feel loved and appreciated? What are the vital few things that just really tick them off and that you can say, “Hey, what the heck, you know. Taking four seconds to take my towel from the floor back to the towel hook is so quick and easy and yet it does wonders for making my partner feel not angry.”
Pete: Hey, that’s a vital few thing you can do is put your towel away. And it varies person by person but it really pays off to learn those and prioritize them because, you know, I’m thinking I might spend hours with power tools. That’s more of your forte than mine actually, Tanya.
Tanya: Yeah. I do like to spend a lot of time on power tools. That’s true.
Pete: I might spend hours with power tools and do a decent job of putting something together. But what makes a much bigger impact for my wife feeling appreciated is, I don’t know, putting a towel away or getting all of the baby bottles clean. Whatever it may be.
Pete: And then it’s like, “Well, shucks, if I think about the appreciation and good vibes generated per minute sure enough the power tools are failing. And they’re one sixteenth as impactful as the others.”
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Tanya: We’re really able to pour ourselves into those things that make the bigger impact, right?
Tanya: In our relationships, in our work, really in every area of our lives.
Tanya: So I want to talk a little bit more about this. And I know you’ve a … You’ve kind of created a system that helps you walk through that. And I want to talk about that in just a minute. But first I want to do a quick word from today’s sponsor.
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Tanya: So, Pete, I want to get back into this idea of how do we identify our vital few? How do we really figure out what is, you know, the tasks that we really want to spend our time doing?
Pete: Sure thing. Well, you know, I think that there’s … I’m going to point to a couple tools here. And one is pretty quantitative and I’ve shared a spreadsheet with you, Tanya, which you can give to listeners. But I’d like to put a little bit of a number on it, if you can, in terms of like business context.
Pete: I am thinking about sort of what I really want to produce financially is profit. So that’s kind of what I would like for business activities to generate.
Tanya: That is a good goal. I have to agree.
Pete: So that’s how I would define sort of the output or result that I’m after. And then really my limiting constraint I find is my own time, you know?
Pete: And so, from that, you know, my strategy consulting-ness … I can’t escape it … I think, “Well, what would be a great metric to get
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after prioritizing?” And that would be the expected profit created per hour required. Or dollars per hour.
Pete: And what’s wild is … not to go into crazy detail on this spreadsheet … I have this tool I use to input just a few things. Like, “Okay. Roughly how long do I think the key three activities of this initiative are going to be? How much cost do I expect it to sort of incur? And then what benefits do I see in terms of savings or revenue generation and for how many years? And what
probability of success would I put on that?”
Pete: So, I can do it in like five minutes to roughly estimate an initiative and what it could mean. Should I do marketing in this way? Should I switch my process or add software in this way? And what I’m often shocked, Tanya … this 80/20 rule is so real … is that two initiatives might seem roughly equivalent before I spend five minutes trying to quantify them a bit. And then I am blown away to discover, “Oh wow. One of these looks like it’s going to produce $800 an hour. And the other one looks like it’s going to generate $50 an hour.” Hey, well you know, 16X, 80/20 in action.
Pete: It’s like, “Well, I guess I’ll let the $50 an hour one hang out for a while and hurriedly go after that $800 an hour initiative.
Tanya: Right. And that makes so much sense to me because it really … When we can quantify our time and we can really understand the benefit of spending our time on these vital few, it really makes a huge impact.
Tanya: So I love that you … First of all, I love that you are so data-driven. That totally just makes me happy because I feel like we could geek out and talk about quantitative data all day long. I love that about you.
Tanya: And Pete has really very graciously shared this Excel spreadsheet with us. So I will make sure and have a link to download that in the show notes for today. So I’ll make sure to give you that link at the end of the show. Because I do feel like it’s a great tool and I love that you’re so open and willing to share that. Because when people do understand that vital few, it really is so empowering.
Pete: Oh yes. Thank you.
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Tanya: I want to get into that idea of the one thing that I know Jay Papasan has talked with you about and how do you apply that. So let’s dive into that idea of what is the one thing question?
Pete: Oh yeah. It’s so good and I recommend the book a lot. It’s called The One Thing.
Tanya: It is a really good book.
Pete: And it has great graphics too. I was like, “Man, note to self. When I write my next book, I’m going to try to do it like this.”
Pete: Well done in all respects. But the magic question is: What is the one thing I can do such that by doing it, everything else becomes easier or unnecessary?
Pete: So I think you can maybe chew or process that for a bit there. What’s the one thing I can do such that by doing it everything else becomes easier or unnecessary? And I think examples are great here.
Pete: So, in the early days of baby … which I’m in right now. I’ve got two kids under two at home.
Tanya: You are in the trenches, my friend.
Pete: That’s right.
Tanya: Two kids under two. Yes, you are definitely in the throws of that stage.
Pete: Well, with our first child, Johnathan, you know he wasn’t sleeping the greatest. It was okay. It was maybe month eight or nine. And so, it’s like, “You know what. He should be kind of in the groove a little bit more than he is.” So that was sort of top of mind. What’s one thing we can do such that everything else would be easier or unnecessary if we did it? And it was like, “Boy, it’d be great if he slept more.”
Pete: And so, I think it’s great if you can even apply this in layers multiple times. It was like, “Okay, so I asked the one thing
question. What would make everything easier or unnecessary?” It was like, “Well, if Johnathan slept better.” It’s like, “Okay, well what’s the one thing we could do such that everything else would become easier or unnecessary for Johnathan sleeping better.” It’s like, “Well, maybe the rooms a little bit dry. Maybe he’s kind of
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waking up sort of thirsty. That seems to be the thing. That he wants a bottle.” So maybe we could put a humidifier action in there a bit.
Pete: And so by going through these layers of, “Boy, what should be in life to let’s sleep better.” To, “let’s help Johnathan sleep better.” To, “Let’s get a humidifier going.”
Pete: It’s wild how sure enough, it made a real big impact. It wasn’t like the miracle cure for all child sleep ailments. But it made …
Tanya: Boy, if you had that that’d be a whole different show.
Pete: Literally, I would say in terms of I was probably getting another hour of rest a night as a result of spending maybe three minutes filling up and utilizing a humidifier. That’s like 16X right there, you know or better.
Tanya: Right there, yeah.
Pete: And so, I think it’s so cool is if you spend some quiet time drilling down with that question for whatever outcome you want it’s like, “What’s the one thing that I can do just so that everything else will be easier or unnecessary for making my spouse feel loved?” Or, “What’s the one thing for making more money?” Or, “What’s the one thing for feeling more energized or more in shape?” Whatever.
Pete: You pick your goal outcome and then you drill down a couple times at the one thing question and you’ll be amazed. We have a big old salad container in our fridge. And, you know, it probably took me 40 minutes of internet research on Amazon to find the perfect size salad container.
Tanya: Yes. I’m familiar with a lot of Amazon research myself. Pete: Oh, yeah. Because if it’s too big, you know, it won’t fit in there. Tanya: Yeah.
Pete: And if it’s too small it’s like, okay, what am I going to do? Have it fit like half a romaine heart there.
Pete: And I tell you what. That has been transformational in terms of I am probably eating five times as much in the way of vegetables because of this one thing has made eating salads so much easier, finding the perfect container.
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Pete: And so, I think there’s all sorts of little points of leverage in life to bend time and get bigger outcomes if you just take that quiet thoughtful time to zero in on it.
Tanya: I think that’s so true. It’s an investment in time. And I think when you look at your time as an investment of how you’re spending your time, how you’re investing it in different areas.
Tanya: Like when you talk about that three minute investment resulted in an hour of extra sleep, that is significant. That is completely bending time. Having a three minute activity result in so much more sleep. I mean, and when you have more sleep you do
everything better. I do.
Pete: Oh agreed. Agreed.
Tanya: Right. So I like what you said there though because I think that one thing that people get tripped up on with the one thing
questions is they think it’s a one question deal, right? You ask that question one time.
Tanya: And I like what you said there in those examples of how it is peeling back those layers of the onion. Dive a little deeper, dive a little deeper. What is the one thing here? And then I go a little bit further into it. Because honestly, it is … like you said with the Tupperware refrigerator … it’s the little things that really result in the biggest impact in our lives. Whether that’s eating well, or getting more sleep, or making more money at work, or getting the promotion you really want. Whatever it is. A lot of times it is these very small decisions or these very small movements that can really impact your life in such a giant way.
Pete: Absolutely it’s true. And it’s funny with those little things that sometimes it takes some real effort to finish them off. Because I guess I’ve had the thought numerous times, like, “Oh, it’d be kind of nice to have a salad container.” But then it drifts away and it becomes unclear that, no, in fact this is a massively leveraged thing that will make a world of difference. And therefore, it’s worth the time to actually get out a tape measurer and measure the precise dimensions of where we think this thing will go. And sift through dozens of Amazon options to find, ah, yes, this one is perfection in terms of the clasps, in terms of the size. You know, et cetera.
Pete: Because a lot of times it seems like, “Well, you know, a salad container whatever. No big deal.”
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Pete: “I mean if I bump into one, sure, I’ll pick it up and that’ll be nice. But no need to halt my entire life and give this intense matter of focus.”
Pete: But once you go through the one thing question a few times though it’s like, “Well, no. This is in fact critical to nail this salad container.” And then away you go.
Tanya: Well, I think too it changes … And that right there we’re talking about changing our relationship with time because you could easily look at 40 minutes spent on Amazon research as a
complete time waster.
Tanya: But it’s not. It’s not when it’s tied to the one thing. It’s not when it’s tied to this 80/20 rule of this is going to make a huge impact overall in my life by investing this, you know, 40 minutes on Amazon. Because otherwise, you might have felt guilty spending 40 minutes, right?
Pete: And 40 minutes on Amazon can just be idle entertainment sort of just clicking to get dopamine hits of random stimulation like, “Oh, that’s cool. Oh, that’s cool. Oh, that’s cool.” Or it could be finding the product that unleashes tremendous time bending.
Pete: So it’s pretty wild to think about the implications and how upfront thought leverages that time all the better.
Tanya: I think that’s so true. I really think that talking about the 80/20 rule and the one thing really can shift our mindset. And I think that when we shift our mindset and we understand that it is these small seemingly perhaps insignificant tasks or items in our day can make that difference in our lives. It really does shift the way that we feel about time.
Tanya: And I think that’s really what’s important here. Is we want to change how we feel about how we’re spending the time. It’s not about managing our time. It’s about really taking the time that we have and using it the best way possible.
Pete: Yeah. When you talk about how you feel, I think that’s a great perspective because sure enough each time I refill that humidifier or when I beheld the salad container loaded up, I did. I felt like a winner.
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Pete: Again, and again, and again.
Tanya: I bet every time you open up that fridge and you see that salad container, you’re like, “Winning.” Right?
Pete: Absolutely yes. Sometimes I will just grasp it between my two hands and just go, “Ah,” because I’m weird. I’ve done that before.
Tanya: It was kind of like when he’s created fire, right. He’s running around.
Pete: Yeah, it’s like I’m some sort of champion.
Tanya: Yeah. We don’t have nearly enough of those moments in our lives. We should have more of those moments where we feel like beating our chest feeling solid with how we’re spending our days, with how we’re spending our time and understanding that
sometimes it is small things. A salad container, a humidifier. Those things can be chest beating worthy, you know, to make us really feel good.
Pete: Yeah. I love what you’ve said there and it’s so true. You know, we had BJ Fogg on the show who’s just a super genius in user behavior and such. He’s been called the millionaire maker in Silicon Valley.
Pete: But he makes a great point that it’s important to celebrate … and even in the tiniest of ways … if you can just take in a breath and smile and it’s like, “That is a beautiful salad container.” Or it’s just, “I’m awesome.” Or, “Hurray.” Or give yourself a high five. Like whatever it is for a couple seconds what you celebrate gets reinforced in terms of building habits and just kind of putting you in a good mood throughout the day.
Pete: So I’m all about sort of finding your personal, unique, dorky celebration ritual.
Tanya: Yeah. The dorkier the better. Because really when we are excited about something like a salad container or these little things, that really is getting to the heart of what makes us us. That’s what makes us happy.
Tanya: So, Pete, I have absolutely loved having you on the show. And I cannot say enough great things about Pete’s podcast. I mean you can hear he has the most amazing guests … well, including
myself … on the show. And so, I really would encourage all of you ©Productivity Paradox Page 15 of 16
to give his show a listen. I’ll make sure to put a link to How to be Awesome at Your Job in the show notes for today.
Tanya: Definitely, I mean, Pete, you’ve shared so many words of wisdom today. I really just appreciate having you on the show.
Pete: Well, thank you, Tanya. It was a lot of fun. And if folks do go on over, episode 364 is where the tables are turned with Tanya being the guest. And it’s been a lot of fun. Thank you.
Tanya: Thank you. Well, I knew we’d have fun because I had fun being on your show. So thank you so much.
Tanya: I just loved having Pete on the show. He’s such a great resource because he’s so well read and he’s met so many different
productivity experts and lifestyle experts and coaches that he has so many pearls of wisdom to share. And I felt like he did such a great job talking to us about our relationship with time and where we want to focus.
Tanya: And as he mentioned, I was on his show several months ago so I’ll be sure to put a link to that in the show notes. I’ll also make sure to include a link so you can download his free tool that he
mentioned on the podcast. Simply go to inkWELLpress.com/ podcast and then head to episode 120. I’ll have that resource available for you there. I’ll also have links so you can listen to Pete’s podcast and connect with him on social media.
Tanya: Now next week, we are going to be continuing to talk about bending time because we will be talking about making the most of your mornings. I have a really good episode headed your way, so I hope to see you next week.
Tanya: And in the meantime, I’d love for you to connect with me in my Facebook group. Simply go to inkWELLpress.com/group and request an invitation to join.
Tanya: All right. Until next time, have a beautiful and productive week.
Thanks for listening to Productivity Paradox. To get free access to Tanya’s valuable checklist, Five Minutes To Peak Productivity, simply go to inkWELLpress.com/podcast.